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		<title>By: The Vivian &#187; [sic]</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-58634</link>
		<dc:creator>The Vivian &#187; [sic]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I never found The Vivian &#8212; or let&#8217;s just say it never registered. But it did after getting ticketed on my bike this summer and as a result diverting my course to avoid the stop sign at Larchmont and Clinton where it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I never found The Vivian &#8212; or let&#8217;s just say it never registered. But it did after getting ticketed on my bike this summer and as a result diverting my course to avoid the stop sign at Larchmont and Clinton where it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bikedate</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52737</link>
		<dc:creator>bikedate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i almost got a ticket a month or so ago, in WLA on stewart where exposition dead ends (cop&#039;s there quite often i now realize). i&#039;m conscientious if cars are around and basically look out carefully for my own safety.  at this stop there were no cars anywhere, and i definitely bombed it.  only person around was a motorcycle cop back up the road behind a parked car.  pulled me over, but didn&#039;t ticket.  got the lecture about assuming cars are going to stop and all this stuff that didn&#039;t apply (there&#039; weren&#039;t any cars around).  but i just bit my tongue.

now i definitely ride even more carefully in regard to stops signs - but they do get rolled.  if there is a car ANYWHERE, even back up the road, i really make a show of stopping forward motion.  partly because i think cars have learned to expect anything from bikes, usually total disregard for all laws.  so i want to make a point - some of us ride with respect for normal right of way.  it&#039;s my one-man PR campaign.

but i&#039;m not stopping, putting my foot down for three seconds or whatever.  that&#039;s just retarded...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i almost got a ticket a month or so ago, in WLA on stewart where exposition dead ends (cop&#8217;s there quite often i now realize). i&#8217;m conscientious if cars are around and basically look out carefully for my own safety.  at this stop there were no cars anywhere, and i definitely bombed it.  only person around was a motorcycle cop back up the road behind a parked car.  pulled me over, but didn&#8217;t ticket.  got the lecture about assuming cars are going to stop and all this stuff that didn&#8217;t apply (there&#8217; weren&#8217;t any cars around).  but i just bit my tongue.</p>
<p>now i definitely ride even more carefully in regard to stops signs &#8211; but they do get rolled.  if there is a car ANYWHERE, even back up the road, i really make a show of stopping forward motion.  partly because i think cars have learned to expect anything from bikes, usually total disregard for all laws.  so i want to make a point &#8211; some of us ride with respect for normal right of way.  it&#8217;s my one-man PR campaign.</p>
<p>but i&#8217;m not stopping, putting my foot down for three seconds or whatever.  that&#8217;s just retarded&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleb</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52647</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reminds me of the time I was in Hollywood with friends...walking down the blvd. We were near a small, barely 2 car wide side street. There was signal, but NO ONE was around. Some, uhm, ladies of the night, crossed against the red across the teeeeeny street. SUDDENLY, cops who were across the street hit the buzzer and over their PA say in that sing-song tattle voice &quot;you&#039;re gonna get a tiiiiiiiiiicket!&quot;. 

and some cops wonder why they get shot at?

in your situation I would have also asked if I had endangered anyone with my actions. Wouldn&#039;t have changed the a$$hats mind probably, but you could also remind him of all the times you have had to take evasive action against drivers txting while driving, talking on the cell while driving, making illegal lane changes---just to name a few. 

my feeling is, if you&#039;re riding safely and not endangering anyone else actively, then roll and/or use your listed concepts. There will always be times we all make mistakes, but ticketing someone who isn&#039;t a yahoo riding down the middle of Wilshire Blvd during rush hour in and out of cars, against lights and hopping all over disrupting traffic---I think is just dense. LAPD won&#039;t catch every scofflaw, but they need to pick their battles better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reminds me of the time I was in Hollywood with friends&#8230;walking down the blvd. We were near a small, barely 2 car wide side street. There was signal, but NO ONE was around. Some, uhm, ladies of the night, crossed against the red across the teeeeeny street. SUDDENLY, cops who were across the street hit the buzzer and over their PA say in that sing-song tattle voice &#8220;you&#8217;re gonna get a tiiiiiiiiiicket!&#8221;. </p>
<p>and some cops wonder why they get shot at?</p>
<p>in your situation I would have also asked if I had endangered anyone with my actions. Wouldn&#8217;t have changed the a$$hats mind probably, but you could also remind him of all the times you have had to take evasive action against drivers txting while driving, talking on the cell while driving, making illegal lane changes&#8212;just to name a few. </p>
<p>my feeling is, if you&#8217;re riding safely and not endangering anyone else actively, then roll and/or use your listed concepts. There will always be times we all make mistakes, but ticketing someone who isn&#8217;t a yahoo riding down the middle of Wilshire Blvd during rush hour in and out of cars, against lights and hopping all over disrupting traffic&#8212;I think is just dense. LAPD won&#8217;t catch every scofflaw, but they need to pick their battles better.</p>
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		<title>By: Evidently, another drunk driver and dead cyclist just isn’t a big deal &#171; BikingInLA</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52629</link>
		<dc:creator>Evidently, another drunk driver and dead cyclist just isn’t a big deal &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] metaphorically beats his chest after dropping another rider. Will pays his dues for rolling through a stop sign, and gets a mention in New York Magazine for his touching story of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52553</link>
		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, that blows, Will. Sorry you got the ticket. 

My technique is to brake to the point that all forward momentum ceases, but with enough energy that I&#039;ll still roll forward if I let go of the brakes. If there&#039;s opposing traffic, I&#039;ll wait until I have right-of-way; if not, I&#039;ll go right away. 

That seems to be enough to satisfy the police, since I&#039;ve done it right next to patrol cars — though you never know when you&#039;ll catch a cop in a bad mood or one who just doesn&#039;t like bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, that blows, Will. Sorry you got the ticket. </p>
<p>My technique is to brake to the point that all forward momentum ceases, but with enough energy that I&#8217;ll still roll forward if I let go of the brakes. If there&#8217;s opposing traffic, I&#8217;ll wait until I have right-of-way; if not, I&#8217;ll go right away. </p>
<p>That seems to be enough to satisfy the police, since I&#8217;ve done it right next to patrol cars — though you never know when you&#8217;ll catch a cop in a bad mood or one who just doesn&#8217;t like bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52524</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waltar, you bring up an excellent point about the difference between agencies, and I think that difference can also be found within divisions of the LAPD. I&#039;ve rolled stop signs in full view of cops coming through the Eastside or the mid-city or the south side of the city and they haven&#039;t even looked twice at me because they&#039;re after far bigger fish.

But to the righteous officers assigned to sleepy little upscale hamlets like Larchmont Village, they mostly have nothing better to do -- literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waltar, you bring up an excellent point about the difference between agencies, and I think that difference can also be found within divisions of the LAPD. I&#8217;ve rolled stop signs in full view of cops coming through the Eastside or the mid-city or the south side of the city and they haven&#8217;t even looked twice at me because they&#8217;re after far bigger fish.</p>
<p>But to the righteous officers assigned to sleepy little upscale hamlets like Larchmont Village, they mostly have nothing better to do &#8212; literally.</p>
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		<title>By: WALT!</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52523</link>
		<dc:creator>WALT!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bummer. Given your milage, it had to happen eventually. I&#039;m just surprised it was LAPD. 

After moving back to LA from SF I got my only &#039;Rolling&#039; ticket (so far) on my bicycle from a cop in West Covina 15 years ago.  Admittedly, I had grown acustomed to riding in a San Francisco style and negected to adjust to the uptight standards of West Covina.

It has everything to do with LA&#039;s car-centric lifestyle. Had the officer been a bicycle rider himself, he would have realized how futile stopping at every stopsign is, and what a low-level threat to public safety a bike rolling a stop sign in a semi-residential neighborhood is.  That&#039;s why it surpises me that an LAPD Officer took the time to stop you when there are so many car drivers driving with a celphone to their ear, texting and running the stopsigns and red lights around Larchmont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bummer. Given your milage, it had to happen eventually. I&#8217;m just surprised it was LAPD. </p>
<p>After moving back to LA from SF I got my only &#8216;Rolling&#8217; ticket (so far) on my bicycle from a cop in West Covina 15 years ago.  Admittedly, I had grown acustomed to riding in a San Francisco style and negected to adjust to the uptight standards of West Covina.</p>
<p>It has everything to do with LA&#8217;s car-centric lifestyle. Had the officer been a bicycle rider himself, he would have realized how futile stopping at every stopsign is, and what a low-level threat to public safety a bike rolling a stop sign in a semi-residential neighborhood is.  That&#8217;s why it surpises me that an LAPD Officer took the time to stop you when there are so many car drivers driving with a celphone to their ear, texting and running the stopsigns and red lights around Larchmont.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52515</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it, Marilyn. I still have disdain for those self-entitled cyclists I often encounter that do it with disregard for their safety and disregard for those they share the roads with.

At a two-way stop I will always slow and make sure the intersection is clear and stop or yield if it isn&#039;t or won&#039;t be. For a four-way stop I will readily halt or give priority to cross traffic of any kind is arriving at the same time or before I do.

My rules are simple: Approach every intersection with awareness and caution, and stop or yield if there&#039;s reason to. If there isn&#039;t, roll it -- and expect to encounter the Officer Bookers of the force once every several thousand violations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it, Marilyn. I still have disdain for those self-entitled cyclists I often encounter that do it with disregard for their safety and disregard for those they share the roads with.</p>
<p>At a two-way stop I will always slow and make sure the intersection is clear and stop or yield if it isn&#8217;t or won&#8217;t be. For a four-way stop I will readily halt or give priority to cross traffic of any kind is arriving at the same time or before I do.</p>
<p>My rules are simple: Approach every intersection with awareness and caution, and stop or yield if there&#8217;s reason to. If there isn&#8217;t, roll it &#8212; and expect to encounter the Officer Bookers of the force once every several thousand violations.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.wildbell.com/2009/06/26/paying-my-dues/comment-page-1/#comment-52495</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to have disdain for bicyclists who rolled through stop signs until I started riding a bike myself.  Then I got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to have disdain for bicyclists who rolled through stop signs until I started riding a bike myself.  Then I got it.</p>
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