October 6, 2009 7:52 pm
Yet Another Flubber Bullet Fired In The Never-Ending Battle over L.A.’s Fictitious “Eastside”
Posted by Will under history, los angeles, make believe
[11] Comments
I may sigh in general fatigue knowing there’s no winning this war on ignorance, but that doesn’t mean I drop my armor and surrender from defending the true Eastside as well as my part of town against those blythe hoards ever-intent on conveniently jumping on the bandwagon with those who’ve come before them to dismissively mislabel its civic geography.
The far more forgiving Franklin Avenue Blog introduced me to my latest foe: the no-doubt fine folks at the Your Daily Thread website, who’ve recently released “The Official Eastside Green Guide.” But instead of being about Boyle Heights and surroundings where it should be, of course it’s that never-gets-tired westside-stoked POV of what’s eastside: namely Los Feliz, Silver Lake, Echo Park, Atwater Village, with perhaps a little Virgil Village and East Hollywood along with a sprinkling of Historic Filipinotown and Angeleno Heights.
Basically as they see it pretty much anything east of Western Avenue qualifies because after all, it’s east of Western Avenue, duh! Nevermind that Western Avenue was so named because it represented the westernmost boundary of an expanding late-19th century Los Angeles (Westlake, anyone?), making everything between it and downtown the ORIGINAL WESTSIDE way back when today’s westside wasn’t much more than swamps and ranchos and oil fields.
But good westies don’t let facts like that get in the way of co-opting this part of town as their “eastside.” Because it’s east of them, get it? Because they’re the city’s true center.
I really should forgive such endless elitist entitlement for they simply know not what they do — and I probably might have until I got to the comments to the post on YTD.com announcing the guide and found a response to someone who dared ask, “…why are you calling it the eastside? It isn’t.”
Tracy Hepler wrote back: “Thanks for the comment. The communities we mentioned are considered part of the east side of Los Angeles. There are many communities even more East but as L.A. that does not mean that the communities mentioned aren’t a part of the Eastside.”
I became particularly fixated with that first broad stroke she presented as some sort of acknowledged fact. “Considered part of the east side of Los Angeles,” by whom I wondered. Maybe the three people in the office that day when it was time to title the guide? Sure, there are those who consider L.A.to be a desert or dinosaurs to have existed 4,000 years ago or the world to be flat or the Holocaust to be fiction, or President Obama not to be a U.S. citizen, but just because an ignorant or biased segment of the population agrees with what you believe doesn’t make it true.
It’s nice that Tracy saw fit to give an unnamed shout-out to the “many communities even more East” (like Pasadena and Las Vegas and New York and London perhaps?), but then she slams the door with her final rebuttal” “that does not mean that the communities mentioned aren’t a part of the Eastside.”
Of course I au contraire’d mademoiselle Hepler with the following comment:
You lead with: “In L.A. it often feels as if the Westside is leading the charge when it comes to being consciously green.”
To which I respond: “In L.A. it often feels as if the Westside is leading the charge when it comes to being consciously obstinate in perpetuating the misnomer of Silver Lake/Echo Park/Los Feliz as “Eastside.”
Tracy Hepler’s rationalization that it’s east of the westside and therefore is the east side of L.A. is typically dismissive and woefully narrow. Google maps may provide little in the way of clues, but history does. Western Avenue wasn’t named because of what’s east of it. It was named because it represented an approximation of the original western boundary as the city expanded beyond downtown. From that perspective anything between it and downtown is the original westside.
Sad thing is I know that doesn’t mean diddly to Tracy or anyone else who decided to misname the guide. I’m sure it’s great and full of excellent info, but just know that there are those of us who live in those communities and frequent the establishments there that take umbrage with your title and know and respect where the true Eastside is, geographically, culturally, politically and socially.
Do I know what this diverse section should properly be labeled? Well, I’m still sticking by my favorite informal name of choice: the Upside.


October 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Hi Will–
First off I want to start off with apologizing if our Eastside title offended you or any other Eastsiders who don’t consider the areas included in our guide to be the Eastside. As a born and raised Angeleno my entire life (and yes I’ve never lived on the westside), I’ve never known a specific boundary for the Eastside (unlike specifically zoned areas i.e. East Los Angeles). But perhaps using a more specific title, rather that the broader “eastside” would have been more appropriate and not have cause such confusion and chaos about the communities we featured. Truth be told, before today I was not aware of the boundary issue–so now I am aware of it and I’ll thank you and the other comments for that. The goal of our green guide was not to create ruckus and bring up a neighborhood boundary dispute–or give off a westsider elitist view of the Eastside. The goal was to highlight the local businesses in these specific neighborhoods that are doing their part to make the environment a better place–and I hope that doesn’t get lost in this debate.
And on a personal note in regards to your final comment–”squat”, “diddly” or whatever–your negativity towards me is not appreciated nor needed.
October 7th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Hi Tracy,
You wrote: “First off I want to start off with apologizing if our Eastside title offended you or any other Eastsiders…”
Too Cute! You say you’re sorry for offending me and then immediately thereafter offensively lump me in as an “Eastsider” — this despite then confessing to a sudden enlightenment and/or sensitivity to the subject.
Be it intentional or not, such a backhanded apology only proves my original assessment of the subject’s meaninglessness to you, and can’t help but make it too easy to come up with some other choice words beyond “diddly” and “squat” to further characterize what little regard you clearly have for an opposing and entirely valid point of view.
But instead I’ll refrain from furthering the negativity you’ve so sensitively taken such redundant issue with, and in the meantime attempt to be postitively thankful that this civil discourse (within which I can only hope you recognize I could have been ridiculously uncivil and trollish) helped shed even the dimmest of lights on a subject with which you were so previously ignorant.
October 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Hi Will,
I absolutely LOVE your article and am on your side 100%. For those of us who love the Los Feliz/Silver Lake/Echo Park area, what do we call our area besides the “Upside” ? I have also encountered that elitist Westside attitude and really don’t know how to respond to them or their referring to this area as the Eastside. So how should I refer to the best area of Los Angeles when these Westsiders call this area the “Eastside” ?
October 8th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Thanks Mary! What to call these communities north and west of downtown is an eternal dilemma since “Eastside,” no matter how exasperatingly wrong, does carry with it a certain hip value that reflects the area’s diversity and eclecticity. I suppose “Eastside” is even hipper that it’s incorrect.
I’d hazard that to be geographically accurate we’d have to make due with “Northwest L.A.,” but that’s so pedestrian and boring and out of tune that it almost put me to sleep typing it.
Viva La Upside!
October 8th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I get what you are saying here but I think there are two different ways of thinking that are informing people’s ideas on this. To me it boils down to two trains of thought: history or geography.
History – downtown is the center of Los Angeles and therefore things to the west of it are the westside and things to east are the eastside.
Geography – downtown once was the center of Los Angeles but geographically speaking it is not anymore. If you look at the city of LA as a whole on a map the physical center of town is more around mid-city/mid-Wilshire. South-Central after all is south of mid-city, not downtown. And West LA is now around the 405, not Western.
So if you look at it historically then yes, Silverlake, Echo Park, etc are on the westside or northwest of downtown. But in that same logic, 95% of the city is the westside. If you look at it geographically, neighborhoods on the eastern half of town are eastside and western part of town are westside. In this logic, Downtown is actually on the eastside.
East and west are geographical markers that can also have historical and cultural context… so the debate continues. But my point is that maybe it isn’t some big, ignorant, westside conspiracy to become the center of the universe and it is more about trying to better geographically describe where people live.
October 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Thanks for the comment Sr. Sabio! You make great points. Indeed, Los Angeles is the city of make believe and reinvention so it’s no surprise that we have such a shifty center. But I will take history as my guide over slippery geography any day. For what it’s worth downtown has always been my center, whether it’s from my home in Silver Lake or during all those years I spent living on the westside and all over the distant lands of the San Fernando Valley.
As to the conspiracy theory, I didn’t mean to imply I thought it was some conscious effort. I mentioned in my post those perpetuating westsiders know not what they do. They are simply a product of a rather large and insulated environment, with a fair percentage of them being transplants from other parts of the country as well, thus adding to the lack of historical context.
October 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Awesome! I’m gonna have to mention this on our site, it’s good to know other people understand the significance of this issue. Thanks Will!
October 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Anytime, El Chaovo. I’ve always got the REAL Eastside’s back.
October 14th, 2009 at 10:03 am
For most folks in this city, Downtown Los Angeles is still the center. All the buses congregate there, City Hall is there, courts, Union Station etc. There are many folks who live on the Eastside that would not think of Mid-City/Hollywood areas as being the center. It’s not a historic thing, it’s how folks here still think.
My family has lived in the Echo Park area since the late 1930s. No one in my family has ever called it the Eastside (actually they used to call it the Westside). They STILL don’t believe me when I tell them folks are calling their neighborhood the Eastside. They, nor any of their neighbors would dare refer to Echo Park as the Eastside. I’m mentioning this because it’s only the NEW residents of this area calling it the Eastside.
Tracy says she’s a Los Angeles native, I’m wondering where she grew up. You had to have lived in a pretty insular world to not know about the large, historic part of the city east of the river.
October 16th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Hey Everyone–thanks for the comments and feed back. We wanted to share that we’ve renamed our guide. You can see it at
http://yourdailythread.com/2009/09/30/neighborhood-green-guide-atwater-village-echo-park-los-feliz-silver-lake/
if your curious.
Tracy
October 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
thanx for shedding some light, will. and for anyone else who might stumble upon this entry and is still not clear where the eastside is… i find the post at the following link an excellent reference in los angeles geography:
http://militantangeleno.blogspot.com/2008/03/journey-to-center-of-townorthe-militant.html